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  • Maybe people who see stuff that needs to be done and step into the gap? WTF? ☆ Bri (talk) 02:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am one of those editors who sees stuff that needs to be done and would like to step into the gap. Specifically, AfD and AIAV. But I am not willing to be abused just for the dubious privilege of volunteering my time to do something that needs to be done, plus I believe that there is a prejudice against those of us who are better at doing gnomish work than we are at creating articles. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • While it's true that there is unfortunately a trend among a subset of RFA !voters to require recognized content and that back-in-the-day™ gnomes with no real content work (including yours truly) had a much higher chance to pass, I've yet to see a RFA fail just because the candidate was not a content contributor. Regards SoWhy 06:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can only hope to some day possess this gift of seeing into the souls and intent of individuals without ever having had a conversation with them. Oh, to be so singularly brilliant and all-knowing. All hail the infallible! Vertium When all is said and done 14:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The validity of your comment would be apt if it were at least accurate - the article is a synthesis of what 32 admins had to say about their work. There were no opinions expressed by the reporter. That said, many journalists write about topics in which they are not only interested but in which they may even have some first hand knowledge. It's perfectly legitimate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
An intertesting history. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Vertium, anyone who has ever had a brush with an admin has brought it upon themseves. This does not mean however, that the admin's reaction or reaction was always the best, but admins don't go around randomly blocking people for no reason at all. Also, while not all admins may be academics or teachers, many of them do have a good sense of project management and won't hesitate to intervene and assist when a group of very young but well meaning people are really using Wikipedia as more of a club rather than pro-actively producing some output. As an example, the WP:CVU still works extremely well many years later without its former bureaucracy . Looking back, I see several admins offering some very sound and reasonable advice there. In the meantime bots and filters have taken over much of the detection of vandalism and WP:AIV is not backlogged. There is so much to do on Wikipedia that people with real skills are always wanted and welcome in other areas, such as WP:NPR, for example, where such work used to be generally quite lonely and haphasard until I turned it round. In just over a year, motivated individuals have been able to reduce a 22,000 page backlog to under 600, but the work needs to continue to keep it there; without introducing hierarchies, it now needs replacement leadership to continue the coordination of that work . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"anyone who has ever had a brush with an admin has brought it upon themseves"—that is just the kind of arrogant comment that drags the reputation of admins in general down the drain, and keeps it there. Tony (talk) 06:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "Anyone who has ever had a brush with an admin has brought it upon themselves"[Citation Needed], so it is never the case that a completely innocent party is reported at ANI or Arbcom? --Guy Macon (talk) 07:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kudpung for making my case with such clarity. And my opinion is that it's a wee bit self-serving to claim that WP:CVU is working extremely well, as you were the one who declared you were taking it over and rebuffed conversation with anyone who disagreed with you, and at the same time co-opting the rubric without so much as a thank you to those who developed it. And I take your point that other areas need attention, but perhaps editors would like to have some say in the areas they volunteer since, it *is* volunteer work, and we might want to do things that interest us instead of taking direction from you or other admins who seem to want to direct our efforts. In any case, it's probably best that we discontinue the dialogue, as this is exactly the type of admin attitude and behavior that pushes me away from the project, and I don't need the admonitions. Vertium When all is said and done 15:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For the rare time you have ever contributed to this encyclopedia Vertium, I will take you recent return as pure harassment. I'm a thick skinned admin and can take a lot of fake flak, but before making thing things up as the reason for not having edited for four years, perhaps you should refresh your memory. There were several admins gently explaining to that bunch of kids that Wikipedia is not recess or break time at school, and neither of us breezed in laying down the rules and syllabus like the director of an education district. You had every opportunity to take on some leadership there, but nobody followed. Get over it - Wikipedia does not need you.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't no interest in arguing facts from long ago with you, and perhaps my suggestion to discontinue dialogue was too subtle, though I did suspect that if you replied, it would be pietistic in tone, and you did not disappoint. The notion that someone doesn't edit enough by your standards is offensive on its face and exactly the point I was making in my original post on this article. I'm glad you don't need me, as the feeling is quite mutual. Vertium When all is said and done 01:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

""anyone who has ever had a brush with an admin has brought it upon themselves"" This just isn't true. 1) Sometimes an editor and an admin just disagree fundamentally on the best way forward. The best solution is - if, as an admin, you are getting nowhere with an editor and feel your fingers hovering over the "block" button to "shut them up" ... get out of the bearpit and ask one of the many other admins to have a look. 2) On seriously contentious ANI threads, a group of admins can "circle the wagons" around you and make you bang your head in frustration that nobody who respects your viewpoints wants to turn up to the debate for fear of having their head ripped off. (I've seen this happen to me first-hand). It also means that while in principle I think term limits are a good thing, or at least bring positives (I have been an admin elsewhere three times, each elected to a 1-year term limit and it was fine); but I can't get excited about it because I don't have any confidence I would pass RfA again as I've rubbed too many admins up the wrong way. 3) I recall several people saying it's just a plain old fact of life that some people do "not play well with others" while simultaneously being some of the most talented and productive writers. It happens here, it happens in other projects (Linus Torvalds is infamous for his complete lack of tact and civility despite widespread acclaim for his contribution to the IT industry), it happens in the real world - it's just a plain old fact of life that you can either have a better encyclopedia, or you can have a Dolores Umbridge approach where everyone plays nicely-nicely with each other without any actual real work done. I don't particularly like this set-up, sure I would rather have super-productive writers who are also the poster boys of civil and respectful behaviour, but in a voluntary project that can't "fire" people per se, you have to use what you have. The admins that don't get this are the ones that scratch their heads wondering why the peanut gallery on Wikipediocracy and Reddit are being so utterly mean to them for "no reason whatsoever". There's always a reason. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This thread on Commons seems to make all the above arguments far better than I could. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]





       

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