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By Bri, Oltrepier, Smallbones, and HaeB

Delhi High Court orders removal of material on Asian News International from Wikipedia

A new Delhi High Court ruling in the ongoing case between the Wikimedia Foundation and Asian News International (ANI) required the WMF to remove "defamatory" content concerning the Indian press agency from its Wikipedia page.

Media coverage of the ruling included articles from Deccan Herald ("Delhi High Court orders Wikipedia to remove allegedly defamatory description of ANI from its page"); Bar and Bench ("Delhi High Court orders Wikipedia to takedown defamatory edits on ANI page"); The Indian Express ("In a first, Delhi High Court directs Wikipedia to remove ‘defamatory’ content on news agency ANI"); and Reuters ("Wikimedia must remove India content deemed defamatory, court rules").

According to The Indian Express, it was "the first ruling by an Indian court in which Wikipedia has been directed to remove defamatory content". As of this issue's publication, Reuters, which owns 26 percent of ANI, but is not involved in the agency's operations, did not respond to a request for comment. On Monday, Reuters cited unnamed sources who stated that Wikipedia filed an appeal, and an Indian newspaper said that one High Court judge had recused himself from the case.

The Delhi High Court will continue to hear the case, in which ANI seeks damages of about 20 million rupees (roughly $240,000) and an apology from the Wikimedia Foundation; last December, a Judge hearing the WMF's appeal of a possible injunction in the case, said that he would read the sources used to reference the alleged defamation on the article for ANI – see related Signpost coverage at our December 2024 In the media report.

In January, the WMF took the case to a hearing at the Supreme Court of India, which reportedly expressed concern over the Delhi High Court's reasoning for the takedown order, with at least two judges noting that the case would have broad implications for press freedom – see related Signpost coverage at our March 2025 report.

You can also read the November 2024 In focus report for more context on the court case. – B and O

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"Wikipedia May Be the Antidote to Trumpism" (audio with transcript), according to WNYC's Brian Lehrer Show. Matt Katz interviews Margaret Talbot, of The New Yorker. Her article 'Elon Musk Also Has a Problem with Wikipedia' was reviewed in this column last month. Talbot glowingly explains the Wikipedia editing process. Then Katz lobs a softball "You did write ... that Wikipedia is in almost every aspect the inverse of Trumpism. ... Why do some people refer to the site as the last good place on the Internet, and why is it an inverse to Trumpism?" Talbot knocks it out of the park, listing transparency on the talk and history pages, clear "policies and practices", and "a real dedication to using reporting from reliable news sources." Later she praises the reliable sources/perennial sources page and contrasts the Wiki to Elon Musk's Dickipedia proposal and his stiff-arm salute. – S

French Wiki vs. Le Point dispute sparks media coverage frenzy

In the last few weeks, the current dispute between the French Wikipedia and French news magazine Le Point has been covered by several national media outlets: Le Monde has published a detailed article on the matter (behind pay-wall), as Le Parisien (with two different articles) and La Voix du Nord (at this link) have done.

The same story also drew attention from all over the political spectrum, including centre-right newspaper Le Figaro (at this link), right-wing magazine Marianne (which also addressed their own dispute with the Les sans pagEs project) and left-wing magazine Politis (at this link). Historian and professor Jean-Luc Chappey has also written an opinion article in defense of fr.wiki for Libération; the same side has been picked by Mathilde Panot, the current President of the La France Insoumise group in the National Assembly, in a YouTube video. And, of course, Le Point itself has published lots of op-eds and articles on the case involving one of their journalists.

Finally, Canadian French-language network Ici Radio-Canada also reported on the case (in audio format), as well as English-language portal Brussels Signal.

For more context on the case involving the French Wikipedia and Le Point, see the News and notes and Community view columns from the February 27 issue. – O

Wikipedia probably not among the victims of Google's "AI Overviews"

A little less than a year after Google Search AI Overviews were first rolled out in the US, Bloomberg reports that "Google AI Search Shift Leaves Website Makers Feeling ‘Betrayed’". The article concludes from interviews with 25 publishers and people who work with them that [t]he now-ubiquitous AI-generated answers [above regular search results] — and the way Google has changed its search algorithm to support them — have caused traffic to independent websites to plummet (not unlike media coverage of various previous algorithm updates in past decades). This conclusion was disputed by a Google spokesperson, who pointed out that website traffic can also change due to other reasons. In any case,

Google has said AI Overviews is driving more traffic to a diverse mix of publishers, but the company hasn’t provided data to back up that assertion. According to the data firm BrightEdge, the sites receiving the most referral traffic from AI Overviews are primarily big players, like TripAdvisor, Wikipedia, Mayo Clinic and Google’s own YouTube, rather than smaller publishers.

More specifically, the cited SEO firm, BrightEdge, reports that wikipedia.org is among the Domains [that] Are Sourced the Most: It has about 11% "Share of Citations in AIO" (apparently meaning the percentage of all AI overviews sampled by BrightEdge that provided at least one Wikipedia page as a citation, possibly among other sources). Still, this is much lower than the top two domains, which belong to the NIH (ca. 31%) and the Mayo Clinic (ca. 28%) - BrightEdge notes that our data skew[s] to healthcare.

On its blog, the firm had also published several somewhat breathless updates about month-to-month changes in the data, occasionally mentioning Wikipedia. During June 2024 (shortly after Google's general launch of the feature in the US), [c]itations for wikipedia.org declined 28% from the start to the end of the month [June 2024]. This may indicate a shift away from general knowledge sources towards more specialized, authoritative references [such as cdc.gov for medical content]. A month later, BrightEdge reported that Wikipedia showed a slight decline of about 5% in daily search volume from June to July.

Still, such fluctuations have to be weighed against the benefit of Wikipedia being linked in the AI Overviews at all (as opposed to the smaller websites in the Bloomberg article). Especially considering that according to BrightEdge, [t]he average AI Overview result has expanded to 1,000 pixels tall—a 50% increase since August 2024—pushing traditional organic results further down the page.H

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I believe it's Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation. Tenshi! (Talk page) 19:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That page does not appear to be saved in the IA, pre-censorship. Is there any mirror anyone knows, outside the single interwiki (to Chinese Wikipedia)? It's ironic that the article exits, right now, only in Chinese... (zh:亚洲国际新闻诉维基媒体基金会案)). I'd have expected it would've been translated to other languages by now. PS. I found a copy here, seems to be from 16 October or so, at it mentions the take down order from that day. PPS. The Chinese article is superior, as it seems to be updated with post-take down content, up to March 2025 currently. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
archive.today Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I need to start using this together with IA. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:12, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's easy to get confused on current WP-ANI media coverage. The "thing" about mean content in Asian News International is presumably still ongoing, the Delhi High Court recently told WMF "Do what ANI wants" or something like that. We're all quite eager to see what that leads to.
And at the same time, WMF has been talking about the DHC-ordered blanking of Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation in the Supreme Court of India, and that court seems to have doubts on if that order was reasonable. How many of us have started a WP-article that was mentioned in a supreme court? And blanked by court-order, that's probably more distinctive. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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No, it's Portal Kombat. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the section on the Trump nominees, by attacking living Wikipedians, a violation of WP:BLP?

There's no reason to think the statements about the editors are neutral, accurate, or unbiased. We're quoting attacks on Wikipedians, in Signpost voice. WE CANNOT DO THIS. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 19:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Adam Cuerden: I do not see the violation that you do, and I am also not sure which text is problematic, but I think this is the fix you are requesting - special:diff/1284867896/1285617502. Can you check that, and tell me if that improves the clarity of the message and resolves the issue you found? Thanks, we aim to be clear in communicating to everyone. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, but kind of needs a retraction next issue, since it was published like this. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 10:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]



       

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