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WMF's sudden reversal on Wiki Loves Monuments

Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) is an annual photographic competition held by multiple Wikimedia chapters, members, and partners around the world to take pictures of local historical monuments and heritage sites in their region, and upload them to Wikimedia Commons. In 2011, it achieved a Guinness World Record for being "the largest photography competition" ever.

I had the occasion in the past weeks that I spoke with people from WMF who are working for the foundation for some years, and I had to explain what Wiki Loves Monuments is. (And that was not the first time.) It is the largest project of the movement, recognised as largest photo contest in the world, and some WMF people do not know or understand.

— Romaine (link)

And even after explaining the community perspective many times by multiple people, the Wikimedia Foundation does not really get it. Multiple countries have an exemption in their law allowing buildings and 3D-works to be photographed without having to ask for permission, without it breaching the copyright of the architect or artist. This is something called Freedom of panorama. However, countries such as Italy do not have any exceptions like these, which makes hosting competitions like these much harder.

Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries that won't allow freedom of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to understand the oddities of the Italian monuments situation & Commons.

— Jane023

This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year.

— Romaine

Every year WLM puts a banner on Wikipedia telling readers about this competition. The competition has always been held in September, every year, so it should come as no surprise that it is in September again this year. However, it seems like Wikimedia Foundation's fundraising team has forgotten about this fact. According to Romaine, the fundraising team are planning to have a fundraising banner on the Italian Wikipedia during 62,5% of the time in September, causing the WLM's banner to be mostly absent from the Italian Wikipedia during crucial competition time.

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The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a wrong assumption somehow?

— Romaine

Apparently, this same problem occurred multiple times over multiple years: in 2014, it was displaced for the same reason, and in 2013 for a privacy policy banner. Despite this, the same issues arises this year again.

I remember running in the same situation a couple of years ago (2013) when a really prominent "new privacy policy" banner [...] Back [then] I contacted the people at the WMF responsible for that. I got some very polite replies that can be summed up as "our project is more important than yours".

Each time this problem occurs, multiple years now in different occasions, the fundraising team says they can't move the banner, but they have never provided any reasonable explanation for that at all.

— Romaine

We were in the same situation last year, including all the negative side effects mentioned already. [...] Like you, we decided to come to terms with the situation without causing drama or trouble, but we communicated very clearly and on various channels that we wish for or rather strongly recommend a better planning this year, i.e. an information for the affected countries months and not only weeks or days before the event, so that they they can come up with adequate strategies and plan accordingly. It sounds that - again - this was not the case this year.

— Claudia Garád

This has caused the user Risker to start thinking of alternative solutions, such as having a big button in the sidebar on the left side of every article. However, this will undoubtedly be hassle to code and will not generate as much traffic as a nice banner. Ricordisamoa also came up with an idea to make the WLM 'banner' become a Main Page panel like the ones on Commons.

According to a message to the mailing list, it seems like the WMF and WMIT have reached a compromise.

[T]his year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an agreement in which

  • 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
  • 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
  • 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)
    — Andrea Zanni, Wikimedia Italia
The need of fundraising

All this has caused multiple users to question the need to run banners specifically in September.

I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so urgently needs to request Italian donations in September.

This is kind of confusing. Can you explain why Fundraising can't alter its fundraising schedule for Italy in order to accomodate the WLM annual community activity?

— Pine

Users have asked the fundraising team to publicly comment about this issue on the mailing list.

We were always told that December is the best month. It is no secret that many (and which) chapters run the WLM event in September. Maybe the FR team can explain about that, so that we have the bigger picture.

— Ziko

On 22 August, the Foundation's Director of Community Engagement, Luis Villa, commented that there have to be compromises. The need to run these ads in September or specifically in Italy wasn't really explained, only that they have to run in Europe in the fall.

Fundraising has been asked to raise $68 million this year to support the movement (including funding some parts of WLM!). This is going to be extremely difficult, given the decline in pageviews.

This report may also note that in March of this year, the Signpost ran an op-ed called "Does the Wikimedia fundraising survey address community concerns?" which described that the texts in the fundraising banners are misleading at best and fraudulent at worst.

Every year, readers are told that money is required to "keep Wikipedia online and ad-free another year" (a hangover from ten years ago, when bandwidth was indeed the main cost). [...] Every year, members of the community point out here on this list that given the Foundation's present-day wealth, these phrasings are misleading and manipulative. [...] it is abundantly clear that the Foundation intends to use the same approach in this year's December fundraiser. Banners observed in testing earlier this month still used the same wording, despite last year's controversy.

— Jayen466 (link)

On August 30, a Request for Comment on the issue was launched. It was followed by an announcement that the WMF and Wikimedia Italia has already reached a solution. They announced that the fundraising banners would not appear in September.

In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board worked hard together to find a common solution. In these very last days, we continued a very honest and direct conversation.

I just received the news, and I'm glad to share it with you all.

I personally think that the Fundraising Team made a brave move (as they will not likely meet the fundraising goals), and would love to see it welcomed with the respect it deserves.

— Andrea Zanni [1]

The online fundraising team has had, good productive conversations with Wikimedia Italy...I want to thank them – and especially Andrea Zanni – for their patience, flexibility, and professionalism.

— Lisa Seitz Gruwell, Chief Revenue Officer, WMF
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After reading this article I'm not sure what 1) the original position of the WMF was on WLM and 2) what the final decision is. It says they will split the time, then later says that the RFC resulted in no fundraising banners. The lede should summarize the issue and the final decision please! --Trödel 11:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1) The original position was to run the fundraising banners in Italy for most of September 2) The final decision is that there will be no fundraising banners in September in Italy. This decision was taken on August 30th. 3) there have been some intermediate steps. - Laurentius (talk) 13:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!! --Trödel 16:32, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is so pleasing to see the WMF actually changing position on the basis of input from the community before problems occur. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC).[reply]
  • I don't mean to sound harsh, but I find this article incomprehensible. It appears to be a quasi-random selection of talkpage posts, thrown together in no particular order. As the user above (almost) says, having read this from top to bottom I still don't understand what it's actually about, or what point is being made. (As best I can make out, it is a complaint about the placement and timing of banner ads on it-wiki, but I can't see how this relates to en-wiki except in the very indirect sense that some en-wiki articles might make use of particular images.)

    In a more general sense regarding WLM, all the "the largest photography competition ever" spin is well and good, but what's more relevant at to whether the WMF should keep throwing resources towards it is how many of the resulting images are actually of any use. The single largest source of images on Commons is Geograph—Images from the Geograph British Isles project accounts for more than 6% of all Commons's images—but I can't imagine any sane user considering Geograph as being of particularly high value to the Wikimedia movement, given that perhaps 99% of those images will never used by anyone, ever. ‑ iridescent 20:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Yet, usage of Geograph photos is not negligible: some 50k articles with tens of millions pageviews/month. --Nemo 07:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh certainly, I use Geograph images regularly, but for every Geograph photo which is used there are a hundred empty fields and generic roads which have no realistic prospect of ever being used but are just making up the numbers. ‑ iridescent 09:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • The two images you link can be used. The first one to show how the environment looks like in that area on the article about it, and the second one on both the article of Great Swinburne and the article about the road. And I do consider the Geograph images as of particularly high value for Wikipedia (as they actually show the environment), so then according to you I am maybe insane, but then I am proud of that because your comment here is bogus. Yes, it is bogus if you think images of cultural heritage are not of any use. Of course it is good to be critical, but an understanding first of the goal of the project would be welcome. Wiki Loves Monuments is not aiming on getting images of only the most popular or most beautiful cultural heritage sites or the masterpieces, but to show them all. That includes also those monuments that are less photogenic. Governments have indicated all of these cultural heritage sites, because of their historical importance, historical identity, historical value, and more. And on the English (and every) Wikipedia not just the monuments located in the English speaking countries are relevant, we have as goal to collect the sum of all knowledge, and that includes Italian monuments. And why the Signpost covers this? On Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About it says clearly: "The Signpost is a community-written and edited newspaper that covers stories, events, and reports related to the English Wikipedia, its sister projects, the Wikimedia Foundation, and the Wikimedia movement at large." Romaine (talk) 03:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also had a hard time following the article. It needs to provide some sort of summary of what actually happened and fewer quotes, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 05:23, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Kaldari; this article looks pretty but is very hard to follow. Invertzoo (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]



       

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