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By Sage Ross and Shreevatsa

Jimmy Wales touts openness, sharing, and thinking

In "What the MSM Gets Wrong About Wikipedia -- and Why" on The Huffington Post, Jimmy Wales attempts to clarify what the introduction of flagged protection and patrolled revisions and its likely successor policies will mean for English Wikipedia. Mainstream media sources reported widely but inaccurately that flagged revisions would mean a significant increase in restrictions on editing (see previous Signpost coverage). Wales explains instead that "English Wikipedia will soon launch a new feature that will allow you to edit, as an inexperienced user, articles that have previously been locked more-or-less continuously for years."

"What? Really?", writes Wales. "The solution to the problem of bad speech is actually more speech? Openness and collaboration actually work?" On Twitter, Wales said he hoped the piece would be read widely.

An audio feature, "Jimmy Wales on the (Encyclopedic) Value of Sharing", was posted this week on the Good magazine website.

Advice from Wales is also featured in the 19 September issue of New Scientist as part of the "Blueprint for a better world" series:

The most important thing we can do as individuals is to think. Instead of responding with your gut reaction, get the facts, get a complete picture of the problem and the possible solutions. As an exercise, take one of your strongly held opinions and challenge it. Spend a week, or better a month, researching it. You may find that you were mistaken. And if it turns out that you were right, then so much the better.

Contributor statistics in Time

Time magazine will feature its first story on Wikipedia in over two years in the upcoming 28 September issue. "Where Wikipedia Ends" focuses on the trends discussed at Wikimania and elsewhere of a declining level of active editors on English Wikipedia (see earlier Signpost coverage). The story includes commentary from Wikipedia researcher Ed Chi, whose analysis of recent database dumps was the basis for Wikimania discussions:

There are some bloggers out there who say, 'Oh, yeah, Wikipedia will be gone in five years.' I think that's sensational. But our data does suggest its existence in 10 or 15 years may be in question.

(Chi likely refers to Eric Goldman, who has been a frequent Wikipedia doomsayer: see earlier Signpost coverage.)

The Time story also mistakenly reports that Wikipedia "recently instituted a major change, imposing a layer of editorial control on entries about living people." The current flagged revisions plan has not yet been instituted and will not, at least during the planned trial, extend to all biographies of living people. As Jimmy Wales explained recently (see above) it is hoped that the English Wikipedia flagged revisions implementation (along with ongoing efforts to improve site usability) will make the project more open and easier to contribute to.

While the size of the editing community on English Wikipedia currently appears to be declining slightly or holding steady, many small language Wikipedias' communities are still growing. Erik Zachte blogged about participation level statistics, arguing for the importance of contributor level as a metric for the success of individual Wikipedias—especially as the combination of bot-made articles and relative completeness make the traditional metric of article count less useful.

New and inexperienced editors recount negative Wikipedia experiences

An article about experiences editing Wikipedia, "Wikipedia: No Country for Old Men", appeared in the June 2009 issue of OR/MS Today, the INFORMS magazine. It ends with:

Yet, their ways of manhandling authors of new entries suggests that creating entries there is something to avoid although I did read a newspaper story about a high school dropout who created 400+ entries posing as a classics professor. Overall, my experience of Wikipedia was like that dealing with a gang of marauding young men roaming around the countryside looking for victims—yup, no country for old men.

The Wikipedia article the writer attempted to write appears to be Six Sigma Pricing (AfD). The magazine is sent to all INFORMS members, who generally work in Operations Research and related areas); the article has also been mentioned in blog comments here.

Blogger and some-time Wikipedian Gene McKenna expressed similar frustration in his post "Bullypedia, A Wikipedian Who’s Tired of Getting Beat Up", which sparked a lively set of discussions on the WikiEN-l mailing list.

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  • The Time article was interesting in that they are obviously wanting to show that in the long-term, Wikipedia does not really work as well as people would claim. I notice that they do not show examples of 'traditional' encyclopedias like Britannica and even Encarta - what is their article growth rate - how many articles were in those encyclopedias when they began, how many have been added year-by-year? I'm sure that they would show a similar slow-down.
Yes, the growth of Wikipedia may be slowing down, but then again there are 3 million less possible articles that could be added! In the beginning, there were millions of subjects that could be added - there are less subjects that could be added now, as many of the ones that might have been added are already there!
I am glad that Jimmy has commented on the flagged revisions issue - Wikimedia (and English Wikipedia) need to counter the falsehoods reported in the mainstream media - whether this misreporting is intentional or not, I'll leave to those who know these things better! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 07:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was mainly surprised at the lack of real research and reporting in the Time piece. If modern news is simply about finding and repeating things other people say that sound believable, there's a major role for collaborative idea-consideration within the context of what is new and interesting. I don't know if this is what most Wikinews communities see themselves becoming, but it is needed in our society. +sj+ 22:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]



       

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