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I never heard of this before I saw an announcement from the Special Libraries Association: "APS is calling on psychological scientists to support the Association’s mission to deploy the power of Wikipedia to represent scientific psychology as fully and as accurately as possible and thereby to promote the free teaching of psychology worldwide."

"More than 3,300 psychological scientists and their students have joined the APS Wikipedia Initiative (APSWI) by editing and rating article quality and students, under the supervision of their professors, are using Wikipedia entries as course writing assignments. The APSWI portal helps set up a class, makes assignments, tracks individual student contributions, and supports peer review."

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/members/aps-wikipedia-initiative -- kosboot (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

This isn't news. I've already mentored two psychology classes for WEF under this initiative. WikiProject Psychology has not been too pleased about it from what I gather. I guess I'm surprised this isn't more widely known. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

In fairness, the Psych WikiProject hasn't been too psyched (sorry) about the education program since the beginning. They've had significant problems with student editors writing in incorrect content or using unreliable sources (see WP:MEDRS). Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 14:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The Best Tricks and Extensions to Make Wikipedia Awesome is an article in LifeHacker. The tips are stuff probably well-known to Wikipedians, but interesting that a tech journal is giving WP a spin to make it more sexy than the usual defaults. -- kosboot (talk) 21:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Kosboot! I've included it in this week's edition. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 14:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/01/wmf_announces_new_ed_lila_tretikov/ -- kosboot (talk) 17:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Privacy_Policy_.E2.80.94_Information_We_Collect_:_proposed_disclosure_is_misleadingly_incomplete and the board meeting in general. --Elvey (talk) 06:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

LOL. What an original suggestion, below, that we cover the Privacy Policy change. </sarcasm> --{{U|Elvey}} ^{(t • e • c)} 23:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Not totally negative: A professor at the University of Michigan blogs about having allowed a student to do her coursework on Wikipedia: http://dynamicecology.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/using-wikipedia-in-the-classroom-a-cautionary-tale . (My issue is that people must first understand WP is a social encyclopedia. If one first makes contact with editors one has a better chance of success in editing.) -- kosboot (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

There's a massive thread on this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Super-spreader_student_problem Johnbod (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, included this week! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple of new policies being finalized for ARBCOM including an important one concerning discretionary sanctions that will affect all editors working in these contentious areas. These motions have been discussed and debated since late last fall but I think they are entering in the final stretch and any changes will be minor. It would be good to give these policy changes some publicity so editors won't be surprised when they receive an "alert". You can find out more information on the arbitration noticeboard. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

DS one was already in motion; which others are you thinking of, Liz? Tony (talk) 08:37, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

See this week's NAN, Liz. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Nice article, Ed and TONY. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The Washington Examiner (conservative POV paper) reports that the Export-Import Bank of the United States had an intern make 50+ edits last year to the article. This looks to be correct and the apparent COI editor was definitely a SPA. One twist not in the Examiner, her 1st edit was on the talk page, laying out what she was about to do and asking for feedback on it. IMHO -if we cannot make clear to all involved that we do not accept paid propaganda directly from the US Govt (or from corps for that matter), then nobody should take our claim of being an NPOV encyclopedia seriously. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Excellent find, @Smallbones:. This is a good case example of problematic behavior, indeed. Here's a diff link to the bulk of the user's edits. -Pete (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Looking through the diff provided by Pete highlights some of the problems. A lot of it is arguably factual, extensive, and single sourced to the Exim bank website. Pretty hard for us to combat once it gets in the article - we need to let folks know beforehand that this is not what NPOV means. But my favorite section is the Pickle paragraph:

"Jenny Fulton, the owner of Miss Jenny's Pickles, a small North Carolina food manufacturer, used Ex-Im's export-credit insurance to export her pickles to China. After only 3 years of business, Fulton and her business partner have expanded their business to 1,000 stores in the U.S. and 40 stores in China. By putting more emphasis on exporting in China she expects her export sales to increase by 400%. She comments that: "Ex-Im Bank's export-credit insurance enables us to offer terms to our foreign buyers, so they don't have to pay for the whole order at once...Our export sales have permitted us to hire our first full-time employee and four part-time employees, and with the new orders from China supports by Ex-Im's Express Insurance we hope to turn those part-time jobs into full-timers by the end of the year." "

Who else is going to edit these types of articles about corporations? I think COI editors should follow Wikipedia:BRD, and then an experienced editor will help them transform their POV edits to an acceptable NPOV article. Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I draw the line at paid pickle propaganda. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, these people are just gherkin us off. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Please publicize in the Signpost the new (draft) privacy policy detailed at meta:Privacy policy.
—Wavelength (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Wavelength! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, also.—Wavelength (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

So, we're a bit anal about our stats and record keeping, but this is something that's pretty cool. Using Category:Tropical cyclone articles by quality, we figured out that we have 1004 articles collectively that are either featured articles, featured lists, A-class, or GA-class (the total includes a GA that passed about an hour ago, that isn't reflected in the numbers listed in the category page; there should be 669 GA's). However, two of the A-class articles are lists/timelines and aren't featured, so as such they can't be good or featured. As a result, we have 1002 total. Since 1,000 is a pretty awesome number, I figured we should let you guys know. And I'm particularly excited, since the 1,000th was 2003 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, which I got to GA status and which passed on May 4th. Not sure if that's the sort of thing that belongs in the signpost, but I thought it was impressive, at least :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

We can note it next week—this week's edition is already published! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

The ed17 and Hahc21 do you remember Cdtew? He worked briefly on the Featured content report and did a good job. He posted a retirement notice on his userpage. I just gave him a barnstar. Would you like to sign it also? --Pine^✉ 07:58, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Commented there, Pine. Thanks! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Just a heads up that October 2013 through April 2014 have been moved to Archive 22, which is linked to above. For a page like this, anything over a few weeks old generally can be archived. Assuming no one responds to this thread, I'll just zap it next time I see it. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Sven! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! We could also set up autoarchiving. Anyone for or against that? --{{U|Elvey}} ^{(t • e • c)} 00:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

An update is timely; see here.--{{U|Elvey}} ^{(t • e • c)} 00:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Could you clarify? I thought I kept up on this topic, but don't understand the section title. The link seems to be to a pretty old comment. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Steviebill83 recently wrote Improving Wikipedia: Notes from an Informed Skeptic for American Historical Association about his experience editing Panic of 1837 in the winter of 2012. @Rjensen and Tobyhigbie: Chris Troutman (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Chris, you can find this in an "in brief" in this edition! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:29, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully in time for this week's issue - Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 126#Media Viewer launches next week on the English Wikipedia.

The Media Viewer functionality is going to be deployed as default for all readers on enwiki this coming week (provisionally 22 May, but may be delayed if there's performance issues). It's been a beta gadget until now, but is default for all readers on various other large projects, including nlwiki, frwiki, and (as of yesterday) Commons, so it can be trialled simply by following an interwiki link if desired. (Note that when live, it will be opt-out through preferences for users who dislike it!)

It's a fairly simple system - when clicked, images open in a lightbox over the article they're embedded in, with a footer giving basic author/license metadata, rather than going to an image description page - you can still click through to the local file description if needed, though. There's some interesting user-survey results here, which seem to indicate it has a sizable minority of people who dislike it, but broadly it's seen as useful, and the responses are tending to become more positive as it beds in. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Delayed for a week, now. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

@Andrew Gray: I included an unfortunately short IB in this week's edition. Care to add more context and background to it? :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:08, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Extended a little and pointed to last week (doesn't seem worth recapping the entire description!). Andrew Gray (talk) 10:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you very much Andrew Gray! I moved it back into an IB for readability (it was a bit jarring to go from WMDE straight to a couple paragraphs on the media viewer), but otherwise left it intact. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

You should make it possible for ordinary people who aren't editors to stop using this thing. It's horrible.

• Wholf, Tracy (May 18, 2014). "'Wikipedian' editor took on website's gender gap". PBS NewsHour. PBS. Retrieved May 19, 2014.

You can view the news report at the link, above.

— Cirt (talk) 03:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You can also watch this program directly on YouTube. — Cirt (talk) 03:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Sad and inspiring. Tony (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Runge, Laura (May 12, 2014). "Adrianne Wadewitz, 1977-2014". ABO: Interactive Journal for Women in the Arts, 1640-1830. 4 (1). ScholarCommons; University of South Florida. Retrieved May 19, 2014. On behalf of all the editors, I dedicate this issue to her memory.

Academic journal dedicated its entire issue to Adrianne Wadewitz.

Read more at "Adrianne Wadewitz, 1977-2014", by Laura Runge.

— Cirt (talk) 04:32, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:08, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Last Saturday, after Car Talk, I didn't bother to change the radio station. So at 2:00 a program came on (TED Radio Hour, I believe) where the topic was going to be collaborative online projects, and Wikipedia was a big part of the show. I heard Jimmy Wales' voice, but I'm not sure whether that was suppoed to be an interview or a clip from years ago. And so many of the topics that we Wikipedia editors run into, such as the neutral point of view, were covered.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You can listen to the interview/talk here. But it apparently is a replay of a 2013 segment. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Even if that is true, has the Signpost covered it?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I believe we did, but my memory may be failing. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:08, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

You guys ought to do something about the marathon battle over this article, recently deleted. Personally I think it's a good example, maybe even a rare example, of Wikipedia processes working well (though not smoothly), and of how one editor can make a difference.

Basically this article, as its name implied, talked about the historical association of Jews and Communism. From the beginning it was beset by accusations that it was anti-Semitic propaganda. There was an AfD which closed as "no consensus," though the majority of !voters said "delete." Acrimony continued. It went to ANI. Much screaming and hollering. I caught wind of it at ANI and raised the issue on Jimbo's page. That raised the attention given to the article, and a host of new editors arrived on the talk page. Further debate, more screaming and hollering. During this debate, it emerged that the article was copied to the anti-Semitic wiki Metapedia. This further aroused people, that anything on Wikipedia would be suitable for inclusion on such a horrible site.

A second ANI was launched, but this one was a landslide of "deletes." What made the difference is that one editor, User:Smeat75, dug out evidence that the article was largely copied from an anti-Semitic website. During the course of the debate, as in an episode of Law & Order, the chief defender of the article (User:Director) changed his vote from "strong keep" to "blow it up." The debate concluded recently. An AN discussion commenced and the article creator (User:Producer) was topic-banned. It took a long time, there were a lot of bruised feelings, but in the end the right thing was done. There is now some discussion here and there as to whether this indicates that Wikipedia policies need to be strengthened to prevent this kind of thing recurring.

My posting on Jimbo's talk page is archived here.[1] Here's the second debate, which includes a link to the first one [2]. The spirited article talk page discussion is gone now, of course, but maybe an administrator could fetch it for your perusal. The AN debate is here.[3] Coretheapple (talk) 14:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but it's a bit too much for me to sink my teeth in for this edition, which I just published :-) I'll try to carve out time for next week.

A recent study of Wikipedia articles on medical subjects has just hit the news media:

"Trust your doctor, not Wikipedia, say scientists". BBC News. 27 May 2014.

The original journal article is here:

Hasty, R.; Garvalosa, R.; Barbato, V.; Valdes, P.; Powers, D.; Hernandez, E.; John, J.; Suciu, G.; Qureshi, F.; Popa-Radu, M.; San Jose, S.; Drexler, N.; Patankar, R.; Paz, J.; King, C.; Gerber, H.; Valladares, M.; Somji, A. (2014). "Wikipedia vs Peer-Reviewed Medical Literature for Information About the 10 Most Costly Medical Conditions". The Journal of the American Osteopathic Association. 114 (5): 368–73. doi:10.7556/jaoa.2014.035. PMID 24778001.

And also covered here:

Julie Beck (7 May 2014). "Can Wikipedia Ever Be a Definitive Medical Text?". The Atlantic.

-- Impsswoon (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Another one with long threads at the project, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_48#Poor_paper_.5B4.5D_on_Wikipedia, plus Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Paper, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Medical_articles_in_the_news and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#do_not_let_wp_stop_your_ethics. It was also on the Daily Mail, and Daily Telegraph blog. Plus I should have a blogpost tomorrow on the Cancer Research UK science blog([4]) on it. The study design has considerable issues, and the data is only summarized. Are we sure we haven't covered it before - the story was revived by an interview Hasty gave. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 00:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

My CRUK blogpost now up Wikipedia – is it fit for patient consumption? Wiki CRUK John (talk) 12:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Another, better, story in The Independent today. Wiki at Royal Society John (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Best media story so far, from the news section of NHS choices (ie the National Health Service (England)) "Wikipedia 'not a reliable source' of health advice". They go into considerable detail on the study. And Hasty has done a short video Wiki CRUK John (talk) 21:58, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

How would it help Wikipedia to compare its articles against a set of peer reviewed articles that where skewed in favor of a certain treatment ? [5] Mion (talk) 22:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Ed, are you going to have anyone report on this weekend's WikiConference USA 2014? Points of particular interest (to me, at least): a session dealing with the recently spun-off Education Foundation, and a good number of board members from the Wikimedia Foundation are attending and/or giving presentations. -- kosboot (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Some slides and many photos are now up at commons:Category:WikiConference USA 2014, and I've uploaded a transcript of my opening keynote (in which I spoke in my personal capacity, not as a Wikimedia Foundation employee). Sumana Harihareswara 14:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• I don't want to directly write up the education related sessions myself, but have notes related to a good number of sessions from the conference, and will be writing up a number of things over the next few days about the conference as I can, which will end up signposted or elsewhere around in some capacity. Kevin Gorman (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Fuzheado actually recorded four episodes of the WikipediaWeekly podcast with conference attendees.--Pharos (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

See the project page on meta. It is hoped that the response to his questions will be answered collaboratively, similar to the way Wikipedia articles (and policies) are written. At the end of the process, the idea of using a wiki-approach to parliamentary policy and evidence will be reviewed. Seems appropriate for the Signpost. Mark M (talk) 19:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Mark L MacDonald! I'll note it in an in brief this week. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

A quick plug for Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2014 would be much appreciated. The campaign runs throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21 and surrounding dates. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Another Believer, I'll put it in an IB. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Much appreciated! --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm biased (as I helped in writing it), but I think this might merit some major coverage. The National Archives' updated Open Government Plan was just published on Wednesday with this announcement. It places a lot of emphasis on how the National Archives plans to work with the Wikimedia community in order to help fulfill its mission, especially the "Make Access Happen" goal.

From the executive summary, the document notes: "Over the next two years we will work to increase the number of National Archives records available on Wikimedia Commons, continue our work to engage local communities of volunteer Wikipedians with on-site events, and collaborate on the development of the GLAM-Wiki U.S. Consortium." On pages 19-20, there is a fleshed out section about the agency's strategic approach to Wikipedia:

Expand Wikipedia Efforts

NARA has been engaging the Wikipedia community since 2011, when we welcomed a Wikipedian in Residence and began holding events to build awareness of the records of the National Archives. In 2013, we welcomed a full-time employee devoted to engaging the Wikipedia community along with NARA staff members to promote greater access, reuse, and context for our records on Wikipedia.

Our work strengthening digitization and description fuels our ability to make records available on external platforms like Wikipedia. In 2012, we shared 100,000 digital images from our holdings to Wikimedia Commons. This work enabled digital copies of our records to be incorporated into Wikimedia projects and Wikipedia articles. The 4,000 Wikipedia articles featuring our records received more than one billion page views in Fiscal Year 2013. Over the next two years we will work to increase the number of National Archives records available on Wikimedia Commons, which furthers our strategic goal to “Make Access Happen” and expands re-use of our records by the public.

We are continuing our work to engage local communities of volunteer Wikipedians with on-site events, including skills-building workshops and “edit-a-thons” for improving Wikipedia content related to our holdings. In addition, we are establishing a model for “scan-a-thons” to enable citizen archivist stakeholder groups to digitize our records for access.

We have worked to develop policies and best practices for NARA staff and other professionals to contribute to Wikipedia articles and NARA staff members regularly engage in sharing our experiences and insights about Wikipedia with other cultural institutions. We are also collaborating on the development of the GLAM-Wiki U.S. Consortium, which brings together archivists, librarians, museum professionals, and Wikipedians to work on building skills and shared understandings.

The rest of the document touches on other open government, crowdsourcing, and "citizen archivist" initiatives that may also be of general interest to Wikipedians. It even cited Simple English Wikipedia's definition of "API". As far as I know, this is likely the most prominent policy document from a cultural or government agency to enshrine collaboration with Wikipedia in institutional strategy (though the previous NARA Open Government Plan from 2012 comes close), and I think we succeed in talking about Wikipedia engagement in a way that Wikipedians will find ethical. Dominic·t 17:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Dominic, we're putting the finishing touches on this edition and won't be able to include it ... but let's get in touch later this weekend, and I'll do a story on it for next week. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Sounds great! Dominic·t 18:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we've covered this, but could be wrong...

Two-three weeks ago, Magnus Manske released the Wikidata Game, which takes certain small tasks for Wikidata (defining if someone is a "person", entering gender, birth-death dates, etc) and lets users set the information through a simple interface. By Tuesday, this had hit over 350,000 individual contributions by ~850 editors, which is pretty remarkable both in terms of what it means for Wikidata's usefulness and what it might mean for future tools to help with Wikipedia maintenance. Definitely worth highlighting! Andrew Gray (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I just found our about this from another user. It's a very easy way to contribute to Wikidata. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The signpost may like to cover:

• There is what must be one of the highest amounts of simultaneous good article nominations ever at WP:GAN, currently 463 nominations (408 waiting for a review).
• The drought of reviewers and lack of knowledge about how to review
• The 'topic nominators' who have been assiduously getting swathes of articles up to GA standard, including SabreBD regarding Scotland, Hildanknight and Singapore law-based articles, and ChrisGualtieri with an extraordinary amount of parks and houses.

Cheers, LT910001 (talk) 09:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning my efforts. If SignPost wishes to cover them, I would be more than happy to contribute to the writeup. To clarify, I am polishing and nominating many Singapore-related articles that are close to GA standards. These articles were written by others, including the SMU Law Programme, the NTU Linguange Programme, Aldwinteo, AngChenrui and Sengkang (all former editors who focused on Singaporean architecture). Please support my 2014 Singapore GA drive to counter systemic bias, as the work is too much for one editor! --Hildanknight (talk) 10:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you both! We aren't going to cover GAN this week, as we have quite a bit of other news to get through, but I'm going to try for next week. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

@The ed17: Since the last SingPost, er, SignPost, two architecture nominations (and one more law nomination) have passed, prompting me to nominate nine more articles; topics represented include transport and Buddhism in Singapore. Will GAN be covered in the coming week? Do let me know so I can contribute if necessary. --Hildanknight (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/30/longest_disambiguation_pages_on_wikipedia_an_investigation.html

-- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks John, this will be included this week! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

• Wikimedia Bangladesh received government approval after 2 years of waiting
• Education announcement from Israel
• Education announcement from Serbia
• FDC Advisory Group recommendations announced
• PR firms make pledge regarding Wikipedia conduct

--Pine^✉ 07:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Pine! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

An algorithm-driven investigation of Wikipedia has found a Swedish botanist from the 18th century to be more influential than Jesus.Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Not considering the effect of {{taxobox}} will tend to do that ;-) Andrew Gray (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

When I first saw this on my watchlist, I was hoping that I could use this as another way to pay homage to our beautiful, glorious User:Bishzilla. I am so disappointed. John Carter (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Getting to Philosophy.—Wavelength (talk) 22:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, this will be included this week! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

First of all, another plug for Wiki Loves Pride would be much appreciated. We are mid-way through the campaign, and the June 21-ish edit-a-thon is yet to come! (Results thus far.)

Also, it might be worth noting that the groups currently known as Cascadia Wikimedians and Wikimedia LGBT both decided to apply for Wikimedia user group status in the immediate future. See both talk pages for ongoing discussions. Discussions have been taking place for some time, but decisions were made at WikiConference USA to move forward, plus allow time following the conference for people not present to participate in the discussions and add on as user group founders, if they wished. Thanks for your consideration. --Another Believer _(Talk) 00:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey AB, we noted it last week and we don't normally repeat IB topics. Please let me know when the Cascadia and LGBT groups apply, and I'll put it in an IB! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussion is underway with the Affiliations Committee (Cascadia). Not sure if you wanted to know when discussion began, or when it ended. Feel free to mention it whenever you think is best, but in general, people might be interested in knowing about developing user groups. No formal submission for the LGBT group yet. -Another Believer _(Talk) 20:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Ended is better -- I'll tie in a new user group with those that are also developing. Makes it much more of a story. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

There is a website on the WikiMedia Foundation Labs that lets you create PDF Versions of Wikipedia articles. The PDFs are generated by xelatex which is the same technology as the one used for the print on demand versions you can buy using the book generator, with the advantage that you can actually access the PDF document as well as the xelatex file for free instead of just the printed book for a fee. Dirk Hünniger (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Dirk. I missed it for this week, but I'll include a note next week! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Academics Continue Flirting With a Former Foe: Wikipedia -- article by Avi Wolfman-Arent in the Chronicle of Higher Education. I like the first line of one of the comments: "Academics are, unfortunately, the last ones to embrace innovation and democratization of knowledge." -- kosboot (talk) 13:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

This is also something for "In the media" (see the section you started below for an important question I've asked you :-) ) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The domain registry Top Level Design has proposed that all 2-letter language identifiers used for the language versions of Wikipedia be released by ICANN. This request is being made with support and on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. "We [Wikimedia] hope to host URL shorteners on [2 character language identifiers], thus fr.wiki URLs would redirect to fr.wikipedia.org, en.wiki to en.wikipedia.org, and so on". Outlined public benefits include "lowering barriers to online, educational access", especially for users in developing nations where shorter URLs and bypassing search engines (which can incur data fees) allow greater access, and "catering to local language communities and proliferating the use of non-English resources".^[1]

Furthermore, the application states, "These 179 SLDs will be given to the Wikimedia Foundation free of charge, as a charitable donation".^[2] A letter by Erik Moeller Deputy Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, begins on page 15: ICANN Registry Request Service (PDF). Community input re: "Introduction of Two-Character Domain Names in the New gTLD Namespace" can be left at this ICANN forum link.

--Another Believer _(Talk) 20:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I was a bit confused at first - have I got this right? This is all two-letter domain names in the .wiki top-level domain - no new TLD would be created. The .wiki TLD is already run by Top Level Domains but their agreement with ICANN currently prevents registering two-letter domain names. Top Level Domains are thus a) asking for this to be waived for a certain set of domain names; b) planning to immediately assign these to WMF. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct that this refers to the .wiki TLD, not the creation of a new TLD. This is a joint request by Top Level Design and WMF. --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

It means though that no one else will be able to create a domain called xxxxxx.fr.wiki - precisely the turn of events that the ICANN prohibition on two letter domain names was intended to prevent. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, the WMF goes to some pains to be clear that they won't be intending to do this either. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

That is not what they said. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:07, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

It's in the proposal (p. 7) and Erik's letter (p. 16) - WMF undertake not to create any xxx.fr.wiki-type subdomains. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

True, but it does not mean that anybody else can create subdomains either! The way the internet works, all traffic to xxx.fr.wiki will be routed to WMF's servers. It is up to them to forward from there. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Another Believer, Hawkeye7, and Andrew Gray, I included this in this week's "News and notes". Could you all check it to make sure what I've written is accurate? Thanks, Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. When I was an undergraduate, Australian domains were run by Kevin Robert Elz, a graduate student whom we called kre, as this was his userid on the system. If he liked you, your requests went to the top of the pile. If he didn't, they went to the bottom of his pile. If he thought that you were trying to domain squat or something like that, he'd toss your request in the bin. This did not sit well with the top end of town, so a few years later the .com.au and .net.au domains were taken off him, and given to Melbourne IT. He remained in charge of .org.au and .asn.au until the early noughties. Well, one of the first requests to Melbourne IT was for a site called com.au. Melbourne IT issued it. And all the .com.au traffic in Australia then went to that company's server and crashed it. Melbourne IT had to quietly take it back. Robert thought it was a hoot. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-wikipedia-20140615-story.html#page=1 -- article by Larry Gordon in the Los Angeles Times. -- kosboot (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, kosboot! This is something for "In the media", which will be out in the first edition of next month. Any chance you'd be willing to pitch in? We have a good number of writers, but not all of them are available each month. If you'd like, I can email you the Google doc where the planning and writing is done. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The ed17 - Unfortunately I'll be away at a conference (beginning in a few hours) until after the 1st of the month. But for future editions, I would be very interested -- thanks! -- kosboot (talk) 20:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The ed17 Unless you've already assigned this, I'd be happy to write something up discussing it. How many words do you want and by when? Chris Troutman (talk) 01:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Chris troutman, it hasn't been claimed yet, but I can offer you the feature spot for "In the media", which will be published on its monthly schedule in the coming week. Can you keep it within reason, say under 700 words? Willing to up the limit if you want to do a full-on special report on it. Your call. Send me an email and I'll give you the link to the ITM Google doc. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

In the next Signpost, you might want to mention that Steven Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner (the authors of 2005's Freakonomics) state the following in their 2014 book Think Like a Freak: "Let's also raise a glass to Wikipedia. It has improved immeasurably over the years that we have been writing books; it is extraordinarily valuable as a first stop to discover primary sources on nearly any topic. Thanks to all those who have contributed to it intellectually, financially, or otherwise."

• Levitt, Steven D.; Dubner, Stephen J. (2014). "Notes". Think Like a Freak. William Morrow. p. 215. ISBN 978-0-06-221833-9.

Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Like --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Added in this week's "News and notes", GoingBatty. Thanks for the tip! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Freakonomics was an extraordinary piece of work. Tony (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC)�

NPR trivia show Ask Me Another pulled questions from WP:LAME for a quiz: [6] 12.217.87.18 (talk) 13:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks IP! This sounds like something for our "In the media" section, which should be out in the first issue of the coming month. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't find anything related to WP:LAME at that link. Kaldari (talk) 04:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Lots of new resources now available for signup - see here. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Or indeed here, though not all seem to have been added yet. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 13:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

New ones now added to the journal page. So, new donations are from Keesings, British Newspaper Archives, and British Medical Journal. The JSTOR donation has been extended and expanded from 100 to 500 (!!!!) accounts. Happy days! The Interior (Talk) 13:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks all (Andrew Gray, Wiki CRUK John, The Interior), you'll notice that this is in the first IB this week. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Polish Wikipedia bureaucrat Dariusz Jemielniak has had an article published on Slate that suggests ways to reduce red tape and bureaucracy on Wikipedia. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/wikipedia_s_bureaucracy_problem_and_how_to_fix_it.html

Hey LtPowers, thanks! Would you be interested in writing up a short summary of it for "In the media"? A few lines will do, if that's all you'd like to write. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

-- Powers ^T 13:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The so-called furor over Yank Barry has been written about in Daily Dot and presumed Wikipediocracy denizen Andreas Kolbe has posted same to Slashdot. I guess the lesson is, you really don't want your biography on Wikipedia if you can't control it. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

We have a brief note in "In the media", set to come out this week. Thanks, Chris! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Slate looks at the longest plot summaries on Wikipedia. Powers ^T 13:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, LtPowers. Same offer as above? :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Someone beat me to it! Powers ^T 11:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

See [7]. It wasn't covered in this week's Signpost - might be worth a mention in the next one? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm the product manager for the app and I'm available for comment, if that's wanted. Just send me an email or leave me a talk page message. --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you both; I'm looking into this! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Why can't I see the Signpost on my mobile device? I can see the rest of Wikipedia. —Neotarf (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Now this is odd. If I access the Signpost via google search (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...) or with the internal search function (looking for WP:Signpost), I get a completely unreadable page with oddly spaced down-arrows and a tiny rectangle that is the front page photo. And it says I last edited the page several hours ago. So I think it's accessing this URL. But if I use this link at the top of Keilana's user page, I get a display for the Signpost similar to the display for other Wikipedia pages. Some problem with transclusions? —Neotarf (talk) 23:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Neotarf: It's a problem with how the Signpost's front-page columns work on the mobile version. It isn't pretty. Jarry will be working on a fix at some point. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

In the process of Toolserver's retirement, Dispenser's tools (including Reflinks) have been lost. Dispenser needs 24 terabytes and WMF won't oblige him that on WMFlabs servers. I'd like to hear from Magnus Manske, Whatamidoing (WMF), Philippe (WMF), et al. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this, except what you say here: Dispenser has reportedly said that he does not choose to port his tools unless he is given far more space than he (or anyone else) has ever had access to. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Likewise, this is the first I'm hearing about this... it's a shame. I'm surprised to hear that we won't oblige him with space - space is cheap. I will ask around. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 03:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Chris troutman, these are the sorts of things you should email me about. ;-) I will review this again before the next edition to see if there's something here after the WMF (presumably) replies. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know what he needs 24 terabytes for? Kaldari (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Kaldari, it looks like caching the links? See [8]. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 03:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Not knowing much about what this tool did, 24TB seems ... excessive. 200M URLs with, say, five fields (URL, date, title, author), 100 chars each field, comes to 100GB. As a MySQL DB, there will be overhead, but 100 chars is a high estimate, so say 120GB. That should not be an issue; I don't think you'd even have to ask for that, just start a tool, create the database, and let the storage people handle it ;-) Would love to help, but am a little busy right now. --Magnus Manske (talk) 12:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and all his other) does not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have that storage to give him, even if it were possible). His demands for the storage are for a new version of the tool he is yet to write that is meant to actually cache the external link's webpages – a request he has yet to actually make to WMF Engineering. He was never told no; he was told (by me, inter alia) that he'd need to make a proposal with explanation and rationale before we would commit several thousand dollars of resources towards an unspecified, future project of his (especially one that is likely to need Legal to look into).

That he has not in fact moved his existing tools to Tool Labs is unrelated to this; there is no technical impediment to him running his tools in Labs today if he chooses to. — MPelletier (WMF) ^(talk) 15:32, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Forgive my naiveté, but does it make sense to work with Internet Archive on this, since they already have an initiative to cache pages and to guard against link rot [9]? They're also an organization that doesn't mind adding 24 terabytes in one shot. Visit their lobby in San Francisco and you'll see the remnants of hundreds of 4 TB external hard drive casings. :)-- Fuzheado | Talk 16:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fuzheado: There were some fruitful talks 5 years ago or so, about developing a system in which citations are automatically cached by the Wayback Machine when they are added to Wikipedia. It was my understanding that there were no dealbreakers, IA was prepared to move forward, but that interest flagged on the WM end. Definitely seems like something worth reviving if possible! -Pete (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

In 2011, we did a Summer of Code project, ArchiveLinks, partnering with the IA. There was a convenient RSS feed of new reflinks and the wiki pages were modified with JavaScript to have secondary links to the IA, if I recall correctly. The student had difficulty completing work up to publishable quality, and I stopped working for the WMF the next year, so unfortunately it got dropped. I keep hearing that maybe it will be revived, so perhaps something has happened. Anyway, it really wouldn't be hard to do this. NeilK (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fuzheado:, that's a good point. IA is already automatically caching all links in citations today. They are spidering pages regularly to look for new links; it is not automatically happening the moment a new reflink is saved. This has pros and cons; a pro is that it doesn't archive a link that is immediately reverted. A con is, well, instant gratification. The only thing missing on the WP editorial side is updating citation templates to automatically link to the wayback machine's cache (and on the IA side, perhaps providing a RESTful way to deterministically generate a link to said wayback machine page, given the URL of the wikipedia article). I'm not sure how well this is working in all languages. – SJ + 23:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

At the risk of asking a silly question, what's majorly wrong with IA archiving a reverted link? I understand that these are probably a bit more likely to be low-value, but it presumably picks up a lot of dross in any case on its routine crawls. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing -- they already archive all kinds of links that never get used in Wikipedia, what's the harm in a handful of additional ones getting caught in their system? Seems more like a (tiny) net positive than a (tiny) net negative to me. -Pete (talk) 19:52, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

... at WP:Update is done. - Dank (push to talk) 02:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Dank, I'll put it in an IB like normal. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Natureguy1980 has expressed interest in being the subject of an exit interview for Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost.
—Wavelength (talk) 23:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Interview here would probably be views of a disaffected content person from the Birds project who is unhappy at the behavior of the MOS-obsessed sorts with regard to bird name capitalization. Many userboxes on the editor's page but he has only managed to ring the bell twice with 100 or more edits to mainspace in a month in his entire WP career, dating back to July 2006 — so maybe not the most compellingly authoritative speaker for such views. Which is not to say the MOS fundamentalists aren't a problem to content writers, because they are. Carrite (talk) 12:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

{{Which makes me wonder: Is there a MOS simplification committee? Perhaps this issue can be mentioned in the Signpost article? -- kosboot (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style.—Wavelength (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen that, but that's not what I meant. I meant an effort to revise the rules and rewrite them so that there are fewer of them. "The rules" are often cited in the press as a major stumbling block for newbies who want to edit. -- kosboot (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

{{citation needed}} Press criticism of WP does frequently focus on it having convoluted rules, but not style rules in particular, more often notability and sourcing rules. Our style rules do not actually impede noob contributors, since there is no requirement to comply with them to add content. You don't even have to wikify anything at all, as long as what you add is reliably sourced; someone else will fix it later, even if people try to educate you on your talk page how to contribute more helpfully. Notability and verifiability/RS rules, however will often get noobs' contributions speedily deleted before they can even make a revision to improve what they're adding.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure the Signpost is eager to promote one-sided stories at the behest of people threatening to quit the project simply because they did not prevail in an argument they won't let go, and who need to resort to labeling those with opposing views in that debate as "obsessed" and "fundamentalists". That'll be nice neutral coverage and not at all a pile of useless psychodrama.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  13:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps Carrite might be more interested in an administrator with six FA's to his name? Feel free to ping me questions via the email function on my user page. And by all means grab some of the alternative view by SMcCandlish. His little post here belittling his opponents demonstrates the problems we've had and the contempt for our contributions that drove us away far more eloquently than anything I could write. 202.50.165.81 (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC) (Sabine's Sunbird)

I didn't belittle anyone, I objected to Carrite verbally attacking an entire class of editors (those who work on MOS), and the suggestion to abuse the Signpost to foster WP:DRAMA in furtherance of the kind of "give me my way or else" emotional hostage-taking covered by the WP:DIVA and WP:5THWHEEL essays. Just the fact that you can write a sentence beginning "His little post here belittling..." without realizing the hypocrisy of it indicates a spiteful, retributive approach. I.e., you're engaging in an irrational rant, and Signpost has no business running that as news or even entertainment; it's divisive and anti-collegial.

No one has, that I know of, ever expressed any contempt for your or anyone else's contributions to bird or other articles. "Didn't win every single demand we ever made" and "held in contempt" are not synonymous. Being a good content editor, even a valued expert contributor, doesn't mean all rules are suspended for you. The fact is, the pro-capitalization camp among the birds editors simply did not succeed at an RfC about imposing an off-WP style from ornithology journals onto all WP editors when they mention a bird by name. You, personally, didn't even participate in it. You quit something like a year ago, and are now seem to be back to make a big show of quitting again. In general, this "I'm going to quit because I didn't win this style debate" stuff is precisely like threatening your boss with a lawsuit, or giving your lover a "do everything I say or I'm leaving" ultimatum. People who make unreasonable demands in such a format need to get used to not getting what they want, and sadly shown where the door is. You also explicitly stated (on my own talk page no less, as well as WT:BIRDS) that you'd left for other reasons, and were only kind of considering coming back, and that now you've decided not to. "Seriously though, thanks for reminding me why I've come to hate this place. I look forward to coming back when people remember we're supposed to be writing... Oh, who am I kidding?"[10] Also: "I always knew they were going to win eventually...[this] has been coming a long time, and this was the line in the sand I drew that represented as far as I was going. ... I realise this is a rather drama-ish exit, but then Wikipedia was always about the drama as much as the writing."[11] Maybe for you it was.... Don't retroactively try to make this be, for public consumption, all about some style issue suddenly making you want to quit.

It really is a loss for the project that you seem to genuinely want to leave, but no one is making you leave. People leave convoluted, time-consuming projects all the time for all sorts of reasons, and inter-personal stress is often chief among these, followed closely by disagreement over changes in procedure and direction. Both of these are dissatisfaction claims you explicitly make in both of these departure posts. You're actually reacting to a change in WP's organizational life cycle from stage 2 to stage 3, and are yourself a stage 1 editor; it's normal for early-adopter/founder-era participants in projects to have an adapt-or-leave crisis during the stage 2-3 transition. I am sorry to see you go, really, especially over something like this. No one could reasonably question you resigning over a matter of personal principle (I did for a year myself, over false accusations by an admin acting under color of ARBCOM authority whom ARBCOM refused until a few months ago to correct). But WP using its own (lower-casing) style guide instead of one (upper-casing) from ornithology journals, when virtually all other non-ornithology-specialist sources like WP (dictionaries, encyclopedias, newspapers, general zoology/ecology/biology/evolution/science journals, etc.) also use lower-case, is not likely to be interpreted as such a matter of personal principle. No one has besmirched your honor, challenged your credentials, accused you of an ethical lapse, called you stupid, blocked you for trumped up reasons, or anything else personal. It's simply a matter of a wiki-political difference, in which you do not believe in MOS but in wikiprojects having autonomous authority over "their" content. But these days we have two formal policies against that idea (WP:OWN and WP:LOCALCONSENSUS). I'm sure you or Carrite or NatureGuy1980 or whomever will simply call this another "rude dismissal" or something to this effect, but I can't control any of your emotions. I've said calm, reasoned things here that do not attack or make bad faith assumptions, even where they're critical of your reasoning and approach, e.g. belittling me in the same breath you say I'm the belittler. Anyone else reading this knows that.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

This is getting a little out of hand, no? First, I'm not doing an exit interview. While I'm amenable to the idea (good thinking, Wavelength), I'm not so keen on being used to further one of two partisan agendas (pro or con). Having said that, should the Birds Project want to craft an op-ed proposal, let's hear it. If both sides can write clear, focused, and non-shrill argumentative pieces, I will run them both. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed, for your reply. Although I mentioned the problem to SMcCandlish, I did not intend to aggravate tensions. I had anticipated that disagreements with points made in the published exit interview could be expressed under "Comments", but your idea of publishing "clear, focused, and non-shrill argumentative pieces" from both sides seems better. Readers can still express themselves under "Comments", but I am wary about how that would turn out. (What would you like me to keep in mind if I decide to suggest an exit interview with a different editor in the future?)

—Wavelength (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

See, I too once thought that the comments could be enough, but the reality is that the published text is what gets the most attention, and just placing comments on the talk page isn't always enough (cf. (The tragedy of Wikipedia's commons"). That also has the benefit (well, possibly) allowing for outside comments from readers, rather than the same people rehashing the same arguments over and over. :-) As for exit interviews in general, I'm happy to try one if there isn't a major partisan axe to grind. If someone's leaving because of RL pressure, sure—but if they're leaving after an Arbcom case and just looking to lash out at other editors, I'm less inclined! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply.—Wavelength (talk) 23:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I see what point such editorials could serve, other than to perpetuate bad feeling, entrenchment and an "us vs. them" behavior pattern. There are no new issues, opinions or insights it would raise. The RfC on this "bird caps" issue was the longest, most detailed and most heavily sourced of any in recent memory, and covered it all (repetitively). It was also closed as against capitalization despite being started and steered by a pro-caps admin and closed by another pro-caps admin. Have you actually read the shamelessly attacking, insurrectionist and conspiracy-theory-mongering stuff the more vociferous among the pro-caps crowd are posting lately? (Well, not even lately; this stuff has been going on for years.) Giving another publishing platform to this sort of WP:BATTLEGROUNDing cannot possibly be a good idea, and will only encourage other entrenched wikiprojects to sputter forth piles of "us too" anti-MOS invective. If this were any other guideline (and policy) but MOS (and WP:AT, when style affects article names), the idea of giving Signpost editorial space to people who want to ignore it would never have even been contemplated. Bashing MOS/AT is a hip fad right now; please don't pander to it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  22:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

It's been a "fad" for at least 5 years. I wonder if there could be a reason for that? Johnbod (talk) 16:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

There has been a request for comments over at Meta-Wiki regarding a Wikimedia genealogy project. Mentioning this in The Signpost might attract additional participation in the discussion. Thanks for your consideration! --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

This would probably interest members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy.

—Wavelength (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. It would still be great to see in The Signpost, but I will post a message there as well. --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, AB! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Of more interest to fr.wiki than en.wiki, but still perhaps worth mentioning: WMCH want to fund a French community liaison. The job description is interesting, as it explicitly deals with the broader community as well as the local chapter/regional community:

...support it accomplishing projects and get in touch with Wikimedia entities and officials. It helps the community by gathering requests and ideas, communicating them to all relevant parties and translating information wherever needed. This includes support to bring formal requests and motions to WMCH by helping to prepare them, translate them and present them to the board.

In the same manner the FCL communicates activities of the Wikimedia entities to the community by writing reports, blog posts and mails, translating information from WMCH to the community's language.

It's her/his responsibility to make sure the community voices are heard inside the association and that activities and communications of Wikimedia movement entities are also replicated into the communities.

Definitely a worthwhile project, and good to see chapters funding this sort of thing! Andrew Gray (talk) 21:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

[[12]] for the job description, if i understand that well its a paid for job at the chapter for lobbying, with in depth information here [13],[14] Mion (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion point 1 recruitment also includes the WMF and the chapters, The institutionalisation from the chapters, most of it is described in this blogpost[15] in German might be worth an article if we include the october 2013 entry from Sue Gardner from List_of_Wikipedia_controversies#2013.Mion (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

...I think you've got the wrong end of the stick in both cases. Firstly, this is a community support role (they currently support similar posts focused on German and Italian) not a "lobbying" one. It's entirely appropriate for us to list Wikimedia-related recruitment in the Signpost, and we've been doing it for years. Secondly, a content policy has absolutely no bearing on what we can do in community discussion forums like the Signpost. Andrew Gray (talk) 17:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Posted in an IB -- thanks, Andrew. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I cant agree with you Andrew, as a news publisher you have to set the incoming news into a context, and that is if 285 language wiki's start to have a liason officer for between the projects, thats 285 x 100.000 $ = 28,500,000 $ a year extra draining our funds. The message coming from the Swiss Wikimedia chapter, from a paid for director is that we want these tasks to be done, but we dont have volunteers, the only options is : we pay for these tasks (what else could we expect from a paid for member). We have to keep in mind that on the Wikimedia chapters these people have paid jobs, so commercial rules apply, you fail to attract volunteers, you 're fired. Mion (talk) 09:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Forbes has a massive copyright problem. Thousands of these are CC-BY-*-licensed photos used without permission, as there's no proper attribution. I wonder if any RS have reported on it...or if there's any case law yet. --{{U|Elvey}} ^(t•c) 17:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Elvey. Looking into this. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if it's citable, but we recently had a presentation on this topic from Jonas Öberg at the Shuttleworth Foundation, "Image by Wikipedia" at WikiConference USA (a colleague helped present in his stead here), and also scheduled for Wikimania. I could put you in touch with Jonas Öberg if desired.--Pharos (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd say it's an "attribution problem" rather than a copyright problem -- they obviously weren't trying to imply it was their content. The problem is -- our documentation stinks. Look at the page we have commons:Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia and it's kind of an unintelligble mess. Compare that with the much clearer page from Creative Commons [16]. -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

An attribution problem probably is a copyright problem. If they are using the image under the free licence then it's generally accepted (with some court cases at least for software) that they have to comply with the terms of that licence. If they are failing to attribute in a manner sufficient to fulfill the terms of the licence then they probably violating the contributors copyright. (It is possible that for various reasons the attribution requirement may be consider void or they are using the images fair use or they are considered to have gone far enough because of a lack of sufficient information or something, but in that case, it's not everyone would agree they have an attribution problem anyway.) Nil Einne (talk) 22:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Second that. Have we ever complained to Forbes, assuming most of these are from Commons? Johnbod (talk) 16:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm hoping to cover this this week. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Delaying it by a bit, see #Jane's data on artists. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Blog post by Martin Poulter of Wikimedia UK on the JISC website discussing his WP outreach activities to educational institutions. -- kosboot (talk) 22:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Someone's done a plot of the number of articles on people, per thousand million births, against year of birth here, based on tbe Wikipedia archive of 2 May 2014. They remark on selection bias, and note there's a curious dip around 1700.--A bit iffy (talk) 15:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

"The birth categories turns out to be far better curated than the machine-readable PersonData field." Heads up to those who include PERSONDATA. -- kosboot (talk) 16:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The year 1700 is also a general cut-off year at http://rulers.org. I suggest a connection with biographical publishing.

—Wavelength (talk) 16:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Then why would there be more notable births in 1600 than in 1700? Kaldari (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to make a very ill-informed speculation here, and guess that the spike in births around 1600 is possibly due to the wealth of personalities that came of age around the English Civil War!-Pharos (talk) 03:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree: groups such as the regicides of Charles I, and ejected ministers of 1662, have been given attention as individuals for a couple of centuries now, as well as those who fought in the Civil War itself, which is full of incident. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

"Judging from the spikes every decade prior to about 1800, it seems that Wikipedia generously applies birth year categories when birth decades would be more appropriate." This is probably a variant of a well known census taking phenomenon, who's name temporarily escapes me, where people self report their age to be a multiple of 5 or 10 years. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC).

Here's some notes on the same question from a few years ago. (and the Signpost article that kicked it off) Andrew Gray (talk) 13:33, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

On closer examination, note that this is (while not explicitly stated) almost certainly drawn from the English Wikipedia only, judging by the numbers. There are systemic differences in coverage between the projects (most noticeably, German births plateau in the seventies rather than rising through the eighties), and so it may well be that the skew in the 17th/18th centuries is Anglosphere-oriented in some way rather than global. Andrew Gray (talk) 13:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

To many (perhaps significantly including User:Charles Matthews) the 17th century is just more interesting and eventful (indeed fashionable) than the 18th. Fields where this is the case include religious and art history and English literature. Johnbod (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I suggested above with the English Civil War hypothesis; though maybe that was too specific, I think most of the leading middle-aged people around that time would have been born 1600-ish.--Pharos (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The other hypothesis might be that (for whatever reason) a larger chunk of the notable people in the 18th century didn't have well documented birth years; if they're more likely to be recorded as "1720s" or "unknown" they won't show up in that chart. I doubt this is likely, but worth considering... Andrew Gray (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

My first thought was the change to the supputation of the year in 1752, which means that people born between 1600 and 1750 tend to have dual birth years, but the methodology should have smoothed this effect out. There is an apparent cultural bias here, but I cannot see 17th century religious and art history being richer than the 18th. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Well you are unusual in that, as the viewing figures show. Caravaggio or Rembrandt versus François Boucher or Pompeo Batoni? Johnbod (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Not just viewing figures. We have articles on 1,092 17th century Italian painters, but only 830 18th century ones. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Some quick (UK) stats - the Oxford DNB has 3098 born 1550-1600, 3813 1600-1650, 3308 1650-1700, 5143 1700=1750, and 8856 1750-1800. So there's some evidence for an unusual spike in the early 17th century in terms of historically prominent Anglosphere figures (and I suspect this matches John's religious history note, knowing the ODNBs preferences...). Andrew Gray (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I initially thought about covering this extremely interesting topic, but I'm curious to know if any of you (or all!) feel up to putting together an analysis of why we have a dip around 1700. :-) @Andrew Gray: @Hawkeye7: @Pharos: @Johnbod: @Rich Farmbrough: @A bit iffy: @Kaldari: @Charles Matthews: @Kosboot: Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Gray mentioned above a Signpost article from 2010, which I wrote based on a brief look at data relating to biography articles with 20th-century births and deaths. I'd noticed the more recent (2014) nefariousplots.com graph as well (it was mentioned on various websites) and that had independently prompted me to go back to the graph I did back then and redo it with 2014 data. I e-mailed Andrew the data over the weekend (I didn't have time to do more then) and he was kind enough to upload the new graph. As the data is only from 1899 onwards, it says nothing about the 16th/17th-century issues being discussed above, but I thought it might be of interest to see how the distribution of articles had changed in the intervening four years. The answer, it seems, is not much at all, despite the number of articles for each year going up by several thousand. I can't really explain this, but if anyone else wants to use the two graphs and try and find out what is going on there, or mention it in any article, please feel free.

• 2010 graph: File:Births and deaths in Wikipedia biographies, 1899-2010.png
• 2014 graph: File:English Wikipedia biography birth-death dates, 1899-2014.svg

I'm also going to ping those who commented last time, as they might be interested in this as well: User:Rmhermen, User:Cryptic C62, User:Llywrch, User:Lampman, User:Tony1, User:Greenrd, User:Tone, User:WereSpielChequers, User:Ohms law, User:Pymouss, User:Andrew Gray. I hope that mass ping works... Carcharoth (talk) 23:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Although the nefariousplots graph is clearly the most interesting graph, I'd like to comment about the last pair of graphs. At first glance, they appear to be very similar: although the 2014 graph has larger numbers, the peaks & the valleys in each mirror other. But on a closer look, those final, highest peaks for births are not identical. In the 2010 chart that peak of most births lies on the year 1983, while in the 2014 chart that peak lies on the year 1990; in other words, the age of the largest group of notable people in Wikipedia has fallen. In 2010 that group consisted of 27 year-olds, while in 2014 they were 24 years old. In one way, Wikipedia has become more biased to current events. I don't know what would account for this change: more articles about professional athlete? more Internet millionaires? more articles on Bollywood actors & actresses? -- llywrch (talk) 03:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Llywrch, I think you're misreading the x-axis. As far as I can tell, the highest peak on the 2014 chart is 1985. Andreas JN466 20:55, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Uh, re-checking that you're right. I blame this on a tiny laptop screen. -- llywrch (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Whats noticeable though is that the peak for death years is 2010, i.e. 3.5 years ago. In the 2010 graph, the peak for death years was 2008, just over a year before the graph was created. This could mean that there are fewer timely updates for recent deaths. Andreas JN466 20:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

This one is very interesting and you're entirely right (though note it's ticking up again in 2013 from a trough in 2012). I wonder if this reflects a) a failure to update articles, or b) fewer "recent deaths" being created? I know that a lot of biographies get added because someone spots an obituary, so a tailing off in that might explain it. Andrew Gray (talk) 08:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Andrew, I would say it's most likely a combination of both. At any rate, it's worth watching. Andreas JN466 18:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Someone has tweeted the dip could be due to the end of the Dutch Golden Age — see Rampjaar.--A bit iffy (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Well I just noticed that User:Jane023 has been doing all the figures shown in major Dutch Golden Age paintings such as militia group portraits, which would bump up the numbers quite a bit. Eg Johan Damius from The Banquet of the Officers of the St Adrian Militia Company in 1627. Johnbod (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: Any interest that you'd be interested in doing a follow-up piece? Even if you don't want to speculate on the cause of the dip, perhaps someone reading your story would know! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

My interest is more in the 20th-century figures (I'd be happy to do a follow-up piece on that, but not immediately). You'll need to find someone else to look at this 16th/17th century dip thing. My view is that the overall numbers are lower than the larger numbers you see in the 20th century (peaking at more than 12,000 articles for some birth year), that individuals working away in a particular topic area can have a noticeable effect (the nefariousplots graph is normalised, so I'm not sure what the raw number of articles is for the 16th/17th centuries). To really understand things, you have to look at the articles rather than just the numbers. Carcharoth (talk) 00:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Responding here to Llywrch and Andreas, the graphs are a bit rubbish (though I'm very grateful to User:Ragesoss and Andrew for uploading them). If you want to be sure you are identifying the right peak and trough years, it is best to use the raw data which is in the descriptions on the image pages. Beware that the birth and death columns are swapped between 2010 and 2014 (someone could fix that if they have time). I think Andreas is right about the lag in the death years for 2012 and 2013. What will likely happen there as people catch up with creating the articles of dead people based on coverage published at the time of their death, is that the values for the 'stunted' years will recover and the upward trend will continue. What is really needed is for someone to do a massive analysis and trace how the birth and death year categories were populated over time. My suspicion is that the distribution seen at the moment is due to a combination of systemic biases (and biases in the biographical sources used), a skew towards self-promotional BLPs that wouldn't have had articles in an earlier age, and genuine demographic factors, and that this distribution was set quite early on (certainly prior to 2010), and that the additional articles created since then have been more even in coverage, possibly due to steady addition of 'less' notable people as more obscure topics are covered. But that is only really speculation on my part. Carcharoth (talk) 00:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Apparently there's a Reddit thread on this matter but I can't find it.--A bit iffy (talk) 09:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The creator of the plot has advised me the Reddit thread is here.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A thought: is it worth reproducing the data extraction and plot to double-check that there hasn't been a copy/paste error or something?--A bit iffy (talk) 09:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm looking into this just now (with the aid of someone with database-query access) & should be able to have some more detailed numbers published in a couple of weeks. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Responding here to a ping by Johnbod: Though I am flattered that you think the stubs I write may affect the numbers, these are just a drop in the bucket. I can confirm though that I have observed the same trend (dip around 1700) in my painters dataset. I use a bunch of external datasets on artists to compare with my list of artists on Wikipedia (mostly English Wikipedia, but I use the Wikidata Q numbers now to widen my scope). My dataset is 99% European, with mostly Dutch (37%), followed by Italians (21%), British (20%), French (16%) and German (7%). I do this for a number of reasons, but mostly to be able to know whether or not someone is actually notable in the "Wikipedia-worthy" sense. There are lots of border cases on Wikipedia listed in painter categories (and also people notable for other reasons but labelled painters anyway - like Hitler). Last year Magnus uploaded the list of artists in the WP:Yours dataset (now hosted by the BBC). This slide from my Wikimania presentation submission shows the number of artists born per year in my dataset vs. the PCF's dataset grouped by 50-year cohorts, or half-centuries. What is much more glaringly obvious than the dip around 1700-1749 is what I call the "copyright gap". This is the extraordinary lack of articles on notable artists due to an inability to host the images on Wikipedia servers. For artists who died before 1913 no problem, but for people born after 1850 the number of Wikipedia articles drops dramatically. But getting back to the dip around 1700: for my Dutch painters, this is pretty obvious. After 1650 the "Dutch Golden Age" became the "Dutch Golden crumble" with slow recovery after a few bouts of plague and then fewer art patrons due to wars and loss of shipping. The economic crisis at the turn of the century 1699/1700 was only expanded by the Mississippi Company's bubble that had far reaching implications in the Amsterdam exchange. Jane (talk) 06:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting copyright aspect ... I think I'm going to try to run with that next week and include the Forbes problem above. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting angle. I looked into the "reusing content" problems a few years ago and was dazzled by the number of different copyright tags in use on commons. We definitely don't make it easy to reuse our content. Oh and that search in the Forbes link above can be changed from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons and it still fails our attribution requirements, because you have to include the user name. Jane (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Confusing labels on the bar graph--even with the explanation. —Neotarf (talk) 13:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah there is a lot going on in that graph. Because the PCF data is much more, I had to split the 20th-century into chunks of 20 years, not 50, so I just split the data quickly into 1900-1940 and the rest. It doesn't change anything. O and the green are matches. I forgot to say PCF is 100% painters, and my data is painters, engravers, architects, sculptors, etc. Jane (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

If you're going to touch on the copyright gap, then this research (more here) is definitely worth touching on - there's a truly dramatic copyright skew in books as well. All sorts of very interesting distortions out there.

@Jane023: - will you be presenting this at Wikimania? Looking forward to seeing it if so :-) Andrew Gray (talk) 08:23, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

No, it's weird. I submitted two presentations and was awarded a scholarship so I am definitely going, but neither submission made the final cut for the program, so I won't be presenting. I am thinking of putting some slides up on slideshare though and then holding a Skype call with the PCF though, since they expressed some interest. If you want I can include you in the invitation. Jane (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC) (and thanks for those links - but any aggregated book data is often garbled due to the skew in editions by famous editors - the second link is interesting!)

After posting this morning it occurred to me to check the Web Gallery of Art, because you can just download their data from the stats pages on their website. They clearly show the dip around 1700. They also show an interesting rise in the latter half of the 19th-century which is due to the popularity of impressionist paintings. Note you cannot compare this graph to the one I previously posted - my periods are aggregated based on birth years of artists, and the WGA periods are aggregated based on (estimated) dates of artworks. Anyway, it's interesting to see that the dip around 1700 is pretty standard. In terms of copyright gap, they show that they suffer from it in two ways. Firstly, they do not publish anything at all after 1900, and secondly, they are clearly missing lots of 19th-century artists if their total number of notable artworks in the 19th-century doesn't even equal their totals for the renaissance, when much fewer people were working in the arts. Jane (talk) 17:45, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

WGA gives a much narrower selection of popular artists than WP, so I'm not surprized. The figures reflect pretty well the emphases in popular taste and art history over the last few decades. Johnbod (talk) 18:24, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

That's not the case for the Netherlands. Here Van Gogh is more popular than Rembrandt and I would say that in general, landscapes and portraits are more popular than religious art (the effects of being a Calvinist country, I suppose?). The WGA's artworks are 50% Italian religious works of the renaissance, so I would not say they reflect the popular tastes of the Netherlands of past few decades. Jane (talk) 06:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Ars Technica writes about Twitter accounts live-tweeting IP edits traced to the US Congress, like another account doing the same for the UK Parliament. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Chris. I'll write an IB on it. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

From the wikitech-l mailing list at 2014-07-10 22:25:48 GMT

Since 2008, we've offered a small feature to download printed books
from Wikipedia article. This is done in partnership with a company
called PediaPress.

They've sold about 15K books over that time period, not enough to
break even, and the support/maintenance burden for the service is no
longer worth it for them.

We'll disable this feature in coming weeks. We'd only continue to
offer it if  there's 1) strong community interest in maintaining it,
and 2) a partner who steps up to provide the service.

We'll continue to provide PDF downloads (soon with a new rendering engine).

Thanks,
Erik

Might be worth mentioning something in next week's Signpost. I suspect that the feature will be sorely missed. Zell Faze (talk) 20:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Zellfaze -- included! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The Wall Street Journal has just carried this article about writing articles by a bot^[1]

The London Times has it behind a paywall. Its about a Swede who uses it to write about botany etc and claims he has created 8%+ of WP's articles.

Maybe a piece for Wikipedi and the Media?

Apwoolrich (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Apwoolrich, we've covered this topic twice, one recently, but I do assume that we will cover it in the monthly "In the media" coming up at the beginning of August. Thanks! :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Just shows how closely I read Signpost :( Apwoolrich (talk) 18:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries, Apwoolrich, you'll notice that I covered it again anyway :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 13:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Taking a leaf out of the US government's book, the Russian government edits the Wikipedia account of the MH17 disaster. Unfortunately, a version of the Congress Twitter Bot (see above) notices these things Russia under fire for editing Wikipedia page over MH17 tragedy Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:52, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

That got built just in time! The sudden proliferation of these bots is really interesting (US, UK, Russia, Ireland... where else?) Andrew Gray (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

New York Daily News covers this edit. Must be a slow news day. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Signpost,
You might be interested for an 'in brief' report that the Europeana-built GLAMwiki Toolset Project is alive and kicking. I published a blogpost on the Europeana blog about it yesterday: http://pro.europeana.eu/pro-blog/-/blogs/sharing-multimedia-on-wikipedia-now-easier-with-new-tool
The tool has been quietly active for a little while and has had several users but we figured now was a good time to 'launch' it formally. (See also this blogpost by the Dutch Institute for Sound and Vision - the first GLAM to upload their own content by themselves with this tool.)
The GLAMwikiToolset has been in development for several years now at Europeana. It is a joint funding initiative with several European chapters to develop a standard method for GLAMs (or anyone else for that matter) to mass-upload to Wikimedia Commons on their own terms, without the need to operate bots or be dependent on the subset of volunteers who can to do it for them. While we acknowledge that the system still has bugs and still requires some technical ability (e.g. creating a flat XML file), this is a significant step forward.
Attendees of Wikimania are invited to participate in the hackathon session about the tool and attend the two presentations on it during the conference.
Sincerely, Wittylama 10:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 has been awarded the first Platinum W award Chris Troutman (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC is hosting a training for those who want to host Wikipedia training workshops. Slots are open for ten participants from the United States and Canada. Transportation and accommodation costs will be covered. Harej (talk) 03:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Business Spectator - interesting in more ways than one. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Fishbowl NY and Hyperallergic. See our article Piero di Cosimo and the NY Times article. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 17:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I recently created Wikipedia:Dialogue on edits by U.S. Congressional staff following a meeting with several Congressional staffers on July 25. They are interested in learning more about how they could constructively engage with the community. Harej (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

This is from a right-wing paper. Note that the question is not "Is Wikipedia Sexist?" but "Why is it sexist?"

The lede reads:

"The National Science Foundation (NSF) is spending over $200,000 to find out why Wikipedia is sexist.

"The government has awarded two grants for collaborative research to professors at Yale University and New York University to study what the researchers describe as “systematic gender bias” in the online encyclopedia."

This would very likely fit in with any report regarding the c-word debate that's ongoing at User talk:Jimbo Wales, WP:ANI, and probably a half-dozen other places on-Wiki. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 18:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

• Wikipedia on University Challenge (as distinct from Wikipedians on University Challenge, though I think we've had them too...)

• Royal Society of Chemistry recruiting a Wikipedian in Residence, paid, six months, based in Cambridge UK.

Andrew Gray (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

One more:

• Wikimedia UK recruiting a "program intern" (paid, three months) to support & organise gender-gap events in late 2014. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

From the abstract: "Students examined the question of whether the ‘wisdom of experts’ or ‘the wisdom of crowds’ is more reliable and useful in a writing course by engaging in a parallel Wikipedia project...student work demonstrated that they entered the class skeptical about Wikipedia and that their projects showed them that Wikipedia was mostly reliable and useful." Article in: COMMUNICATIONS IN INFORMATION LITERACY, VOL 8, NO 1 (2014)

Sort of interesting, although there is some irony in the author's belief in the value of "experts" when they can write (p.9) "... Wikipedia doesn't provide a count of hits to help judge the popularity of an entry,..." ! So much for peer review. One day academic librarians will learn how to cite Wikipedia articles properly, but evidently not yet. Johnbod (talk) 13:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

My expansion of the "Births" section of the 1996 article seems to have triggered debate on what level of notability individuals must have in order to be included in these sections of year articles, and put pressure of WP:YEARS to lay out clearer criteria for inclusion in these year articles. Discussions at Talk:1996, User talk:Arthur Rubin#1996 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#Datadumping and inclusion criteria for Births and Deaths hasn't really yielded much fruit, so I figure placing this topic on the Signpost would be a much larger platform for discussion.

The first expansion was indeed excessive, but even after weeding out unmerited entries and reducing the data count by over 25,000 bytes in this diff here, the revised expansion is still being considered "excessive" yet it's as big as the "Births" section of 1993 for example, or any other article for that matter, and these sections are going to end up growing to a certain extent anyway. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 11:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

(I don't think this has been reported previously.) http://www.histropedia.com "Discover a new way to visualise Wikipedia. Choose from over 1.5 million events to create and share timelines in minutes." -- kosboot (talk) 13:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Armenian government officials are encouraging Armenians to contribute to Wikipedia with the "One Armenian, One Article" television campaign. See also: BBC. Seattle (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Today's online Guardian has a story about someone is asking Google to remove the links to a WP article! See:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten

Apwoolrich (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops -- its the Observer 82.153.118.156 (talk) 13:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

more from Reuters about the right to be forgotten. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Note sure how this might be used as its somewhat diffuse IMHO. Maybe a note that it exists?http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2014/aug/03/observer-profile-jimmy-wales-wikipedia

Apwoolrich (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia's monkey selfie ruling is a travesty for the world's monkey artists --99of9 (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The [London] Independent mentions a bot used to find when UK Government computers are used to 'edit' WP.http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/why-are-civil-servants-editing-wikipedia-pages-of-scottish-footballers--lkQ7Nl5pzg

Apwoolrich (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The recent Women of Science Wikibomb organised by the Australian Academy of Science received a very positive write up in The Canberra Times today: [17]. The event resulted in over 100 new articles covering Australian women of science, engineering and mathematics according to Kerry Raymond's count. Nick-D (talk) 11:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation is hiring two experienced Wikipedia editors for part-time (20 hours/week) positions: Wikipedia Content Expert, Sciences and Wikipedia Content Expert, Humanities. The focus of these positions is to help student editors do better work, through everything from advice and cleanup on individual articles, to helping instructors find appropriate topics for the students to work on, to tracking the overall quality of work from student editors and finding ways to improve it. We're looking for clueful, friendly editors who like to focus on article content, but also have a strong working knowledge of policies and guidelines, and who have experience with DYK, GAN, and other quality processes.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The recent fight between the foundation and parts of the community over the media viewer, the superprotect feature and who should decide what in general has lead to the following letter: m:Letter to Wikimedia Foundation: Superprotect and Media Viewer/en. I think a short article on the topic in general and the letter might be appropriate.--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this, Km; yes, we're well aware of this complicated issue; it's scheduled for further coverage in News and notes in the 29 August edition. Tony (talk) 14:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Looking forward to read about it then :-)--Kmhkmh (talk) 22:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

There is an article at slashdot right now:

• http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/08/21/216217/latest-wikipedia-uproar-over-superprotection

--Kmhkmh (talk) 17:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

The furor over User:143.231.249.138's edits came to a head; a long list of media coverage is listed on the user page. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Now picked up by PCWorld: Wikipedia wants Congressional staffers to contribute, but bias is a big concern I find it interesting that the article leads off with a representative of the Cato Institute endorsing the use of Wikipedia as a way to foster transparency. Dominic McDevitt-Parks (of NARA) is mentioned. -- kosboot (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

This gets deployed tomorrow. It seems like something that could be useful to know for the power-user type folks that likely read signpost. Might be worth mentioning in a single line blurb at the end of News and Notes?

“

I am excited to announce that on Tuesday, August 26, we will be deploying the GlobalCssJs extension, which enables per-user JavaScript and CSS across public Wikimedia wikis. Users will be able to create global.js and global.css subpages on Meta-Wiki and these pages will automatically be loaded across all public Wikimedia wikis. There is documentation available if you want to load JavaScript on a subset of all wikis (e.g., all Wikisources, all French language projects, etc.). Some users currently have manually set up global JavaScript/CSS by creating local user subpages (e.g., monobook.js/css subpages) to load their global scripts. For these users, the deployment of the extension will mean that modules will be loaded twice, and they will no longer be included in global scope. A script has been prepared to delete these page if they were created in the standard format. Users can signup at a Meta-Wiki page to have this done on their behalf once the extension is deployed. Thanks,

”

Zell Faze (talk) 20:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The resumption of the montly GLAMout (a Google Hangout presentation/update on various GLAM projects) will begin on Thursday, Sept. 4 - Wikipedia:GLAM/GLAMout/2014/September -- kosboot (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

According to this BBC news story, 12 million free images are being made freely available, with Wikipedia being a potential user. The copyright-free images are being retrieved from scans of library books by the Internet Archive, ending up here.--A bit iffy (talk) 12:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is explicitly mentioned.

Mr Leetaru's own ambition is a tie-up with the internet's most famous encyclopaedia once his project is completed next year. "What I want to see is... Wikipedia have a national day of going through this to illustrate Wikipedia articles," he said. "Take a random page about a historical event and there's probably a good chance that you're going to find an image in here that bears in some way on that event or location."Being able to basically enrich [them] would be huge."

Sounds like something GLAM should look into. - BanyanTree 17:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I hope they don't have to have that logo on, which would be a problem. I also hope it was the BBC and not the site that can't tell the difference between a woodcut and a "drawing of 1502"! Johnbod (talk) 14:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if this deserves any WP:POST ink, but I have Ice Bucket Challenged Jimmy Wales. See here.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:50, 29 August 2014 (UTC)